. >> what i found egregious is when he compared this to john mccain and said john mccain was murdering people in vietnam. john mccain was a highly decorated air force pilot -- excuse me, a navy pilot? >> navy. >> a navy pilot. to suggest to equate that with what was going on here in the united states was just outrageous, barbaric and i think ayers owes mccain an apology. this is a guy who spent five years as a prisoner of war and being refused to be let out when offered because his father was the head of the navy pacific command. i just think that is a horrible choice of words. >> there is a difference between a man and a terrorist. >> dumb question, why would kent state embrace ayers? number one, they had a film that they released on whatever the 40-year anniversary of the kent state tragedy. but then embrace a speaker like bill ayers. i understand activism, but there is -- >> terrible timing too as well. >> you were a very young child back then. you had to understand how outrageous the government and the military's response was. >> i am not saying anything -- >> there were four kille